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What guarantee can there be that the breath reading is from the tested person?
@cinders15. If there was a national dna database it would be easy, but the big brother watchers would never allow it.
My whole family had a sword test (postal) anyone can cheat... but why would you... got to be a jailable offence
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Dell is likely providing the global digital infrastructure which is essential to ensuring the 24 hour pass Etc works effectively.
Exactly, there can't be a guarantee. Why would you want to do that? If you did, it would be fraudulemnt and potentially manslaughter in an extreme circumstance where others die as a result. Therefore it should be made (if it isn't already) illegal.
Imagine a scenario where you did 'cheat the system' because you desperately wanted to go somewhere, for example you went to a music venue (knowingly) with Covid-19 and infected others, who then go on to die - that would surely be something the police would want to investigate.
Integumen have put forward a great (but not perfect) solution and you can't cater for people who want to to put themselves and others at risk.
Agree. The current version will be open abuse. How will you possibly know who cheated once a crowd are in a venue.
Cinders, any test, aside from one done directly in front of someone and valid for that 'viewing' only is open to fraud. However the game here to get the R number substantially below 1, not 0.8-0.9 but in the 0.1-0.3 range. There will be people who cheat, providing that number is small (<10% perhaps) it really doesn't matter. There will also be people who show negative, but have only just been infected and by the end of the 24hr period they will be starting to become infectious. The goal is not 100% containment, just sufficient containment to dramatically reduce spread.
Are you suggesting people will pay to test every 24 hours. My understanding is that this proposed Breathalyser is for venues etc., not general testing. Cannot see how this will impact the R number. Sorry, I am an enthusiastic investor in SKIN but I see this development as a false avenue.
If I have to go to work on the train (to London) then a pass would have me able to access the train, the tube, shops, the office and the return trip maybe a restaurant in the evening. So not just a venue, but normal life. Now I wouldn't travel every day, so I'd only take a test when I travel and try and pack activities in on those days.
Yep, you would take a breath test only on the days you need to. That might be everyday for some (for example office workers commuting into major cities) but not all. Purchasing the breathalyser and microchips would just be another cost of doing business or going to work (like buying a train ticket, paying for parking etc.). I would like to think that many firms would subsidise the cost for their employees. But like GJB said, the breathalyser is a creative solution that would allow us to open the economy in a much safer way than we can at the moment.
As 13thmonkey said, any rapid test not administered by a professional is open to fraud. Avacta's LFT is very likely to face the same risk but nobody seems concerned over there. But testing that requires a professional (such as PCR) is not practical for the type of mass testing regime that is required. Therefore there will always be a risk of fraud in mass testing, but it's a risk worth taking (what's the alternative?) and society should do everything it can to stigmatise cheating the test in much the same way it does to those who drink and drive. Some people are just selfish, it will happen. But I believe the vast majority would use the test as intended and that would go a long way to achieving the aim of bringing the R value down below 1.
Fair points. I hope I am proved wrong and this is a success.
Cinder15 , I would and I'm sure the ones whom want to work and keep roof over our heads , would be willing to pay on a daily basis, its the world we live in at moment...
Our tech is unique in the fact you have to regularly test to carry on with your life. This ensures prompt detection of infection. Many companies are aiming to produce breathalysers, that if you pass, allows entry into their country. What use is that? You get tested at the airport, pass and are granted access, you then catch it on day one of your visit, spread it for 2 weeks then test negative on your return journey.
The test will be used by many every day as it only validates you for 24 hours. If you're not leaving your house then you wouldn't bother, but if you're going to any public destination then you want to ensure you're not breathing out Covid. The costs being estimated for the chips are negligible compared to the loss of economy. Many venues/companies would happily provide them if it meant they were open to the public again..that includes venues/transportation etc
Tottenham are trialing a 30sec covid test. If anyone can get any further information...
https://theathletic.com/2113227/2020/10/05/ornstein-spurs-trial-30-second-covid-test-loftus-cheek-and-alli-eye-january-moves/