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How very true, You have to be very careful on how you phrase comments, Sadly for LW he overcooked his hype :)
By the Bye, Fraudulent comments are nothing compared to what might eventuate if he chooses to spill the beans.
Not a workmate of yours by any chance, was he?
That was not just for a personal opinion China.
I have some bad news for you AS1971, There have been quite a few successful prosecutions of trolls spreading FUD on public Bulletin Boards and even across different jurisdictions: One classic "Stock-swami" to prove your statement wrong : https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/stock-swami-admits-in-court-deliberate-lies-misleading-lawyers-20220701-p5ay8n.
DP managed to delete his account asap; but sorry Lewis you were not fast enough CC
They do that with every commodity, I guess. Same in graphite and lithium.
Now, it will get a bit more juicy with the EU putting tariffs on Chinese EVs. If this new start for a tradewar is a good idea, I dont care, but for small commodity investors, it is just the right thing at the right time.
Https://www.metal.com/Rare-Earth-Oxides/201102250162
PRE has just followed Chinese NdPr prices down over the past month. As usual China dumps its metal on the markets to upset non-Chinese funding decisions on future market supply.
No one asked you to to or included you anyway. Just FYI everyone, another 3.26% down early today...
I’m not going to engage with such utter nonsense-
China - who has ever been successfully sued for personal opinions on a bulletin board full of wannabe experts. Shows your level of intelligence! You are a classic PRE hopeful who has done their coin.
Mumbles - Skulker posted 7th June at 12.12, a quick little review back over the posts here would have uncovered that. You're welcome :)
His post was as follows as you missed it:
So you "made have graduated University" just to become an internet troll....well done. Your parents must be proud.
It's never coming DS, if it was, it would have by now. SP under 20p and falling fast. The end is near unfortunately.
Buying dips now already for 2 years 👍
God knows. Just buy the dip.
Got some @ 19, now, at 22 average. Any more pressure to the downside?
Funding must be pretty close now ?
Surely to god ?
On June 13 in Luanda, Assistant Secretary Pyatt will open the ESD with Minister of Mineral Resources, Oil and Gas, Angola Diamantino Pedro Azevedo and Minister for Energy and Water João Baptista Borges, the heads of the Angolan delegation. Their conversations will cover Angola’s energy security, energy transition, and decarbonization goals, including critical minerals, and supporting Angola’s ambitions for increased energy access and power generation.
This dialogue reflects the United States’ and Angola’s deep historical cooperation on energy issues, bolstered by $900 million in U.S. clean energy investment finalized at the U.S.-Africa Business Summit in Dallas, Texas, and builds on high-level travel to Angola by Secretary Antony Blinken, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, USAID Administrator Samantha Power, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Verma, and EXIM Chair Reta Jo Lewis.
https://www.state.gov/assistant-secretary-geoffrey-r-pyatts-travel-to-germany-and-angola/
Who is skulker, and was that a from random quote generator
Truth hurts Skulker?
Good morning, China; this is also for Theo’s benefit; this wasn’t organized short sellers or sophisticated arbitrage. Private companies, framed as financial institutions, exploited greed and gullibility by offering collateralized loans against shares held. The borrower then bought more of the same shares.
The company didn’t borrow the shares for shorting in the conventional sense. To quote one company’s website: “The equity becomes part of our portfolio for the financing term, but the borrower retains all beneficial ownership and upside from the asset upon completion of the financing term.” They didn’t mention the borrower also retains all the downside.
If the collateral value drops, the borrower must make up the difference with a cash payment. If not, the lender sells shares to cover the new LTV.
The Company profited by selling shares at a higher price during the rising market, like 100,000 shares valued at 70p collateralized at 50p, sold at £1.50, yielding £100,000 pending loan completion, none of which went to the borrower.
The lender aims to repurchase the shares at a lower price than sold (the short). If the borrower is lucky, the SP will have risen above the original cost, enabling repayment and profit on more than than shore originally owned. If not, margin calls and missed repayments lead to collateral liquidation and loss to the borrower.
For instance, on £50,000 loan, if repaid at 20p per share, gives the lender £20,000. In reality, the lender hasn’t owned the shares for months, thus avoiding replacement.
The lender earns a minimum £130,000 (0n 100,000 shares) for NO RISK. As the borrower still owes £30,000, which the lender will pursue. Potentially, lender could make between £130,000 and £160,000, meanwhile the borrower is wiped out. The above is an example, in reality, millions of shares were involved, based on the mistaken belief that share values only rise. Investors should accept potential losses or accept adult supervision.
This isn’t theoretical or a hypothesis. It happened.
You make a good point there Mumbles; Previous price crashes have been associated with the systematic dumping of a few hundred thousand borrowed shares by organized short sellers in conjunction with a coordinated FUD attack across the media platforms. In contrast, this week's minor dip in the SP was down to a couple of shareholders quietly selling several Million shares in an orderly manner, to take advantage of the coming Ozzy Tax year. That there were buyers happy to step in and soak up such a large offering without crashing the SP demonstrates underlying positive sentiment. What more proof do we need that our SP woes are solely down to trader manipulation rather than any l problems with the fundamentals.
Theo, we'll see. And we are entitled to our won opinions. And this statement you have just made is just that an opinion. You are entitled to it and other can respect it or not However, your previous post was well out of order, it was at best mischievous and at worst malicious . You had no basis to make those statement as though they were fact.
You just confirmed the consequences of the trades last week ie there were more sellers than buyers because of large volume of liquidated collateral positions entering the market all at the same time
Mumbles. Over time the share price will fall if there are more sellers than buyers. The current sp is not the outcome of shorts or some sophisticated arbitrage. It merely reflects the fact that the board does not have the experience, track record or latent ability to get a financing over the line.
Oh dear Lewis, even Theo thinks you have taken a step too far, and that is coming from a man that spent over two years making false and clearly libelous claims about the Chairman. You might want to take some advice from DP and delete your LSE account before the Lawyers can get a Court injunction to track your IP details.
MAA86, exactly correct. Theo was very careful to frame his statement as a potential scenario. Not as fact. Another potential scenario could be that all the various parts of the financial structure are going through the final process between all the parties and that the various component of a relatively complex project finance structure (all interdependent on each other) will come together in the next week or so, but that nothing can be said now as it isnt signed off. This hypothesis has as much evidence to back it up as Theo’s………..it could be any scenario in between,, it is a malicious statement, the absolute purest definition of FUD, a statement designed to spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt….. Should be used in text books for future students of workings on the stock market….
“Let’s hypothesise that there has been a major setback with the financing. A bank, credit agency or investor has dropped out. The company has not told the market. The market believes committed finance is imminent. Could that fairly be described as tantamount to fraud? What might be the board’s motive for hushing up such a hypothetical setback? Personally I think fraud is an inappropriate term, however I don’t think that at any time in the last three years the market has been informed in a wholly accurate and up to date manner.” Theorist 8th June
It could be the leaveraged shares that were liquidated in July last years, or the leaveraged shares that were liquidated and released on to the market in December, or maybe it was leaveraged shares that liquidated and released on to the market this week and is the reason the SP took another beating in the last few days. You wouldnt know anything about that would you Theo?…. Im sure you wouldnt. Not trying to replace the shares that were sold weeks ago at a higher price as cheap as possible are you?. I try not to reply to your comments on this page, but on this occasion, accusing a board of directors of fraud (and dont hide behind hypothesis to avoid potential litigation against libel, because that is what it is). Let’s be honest this hypothesis has just as much basis in fact as your malicious statement…
Re the above, it could be a hypothesis, but it isnt is it, Theo. You know this statement has absolutely zero evidence to back it up. And you are absolutely right, if there was a material change from the strategy that was announced in June in last year, and/or the financial update that was published in February this year, then the company would be guilty of withholding information that is material to the share price. But there is nothing published anywhere, there are no rumours (apart from the one you are trying to start) to suggest that your statement has any basis in fact. As far as i am aware and I do follow this share closely, is that there are no suggestions anywhere that any of the parties are any less enthusiastic about their participation to what they were 12 months ago.
Aagent's. Theroirt - Let’s hypothesize your grounds are litigious and look forward to litigious advents ,